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I am a firm believer in wool as an insulating fiber. Someone on knitting tried to say that it's too harsh to put on babies (and what exactly were medieval babies wearing, then? Hmm?), and that "Polarfleece is the fabric of the gods."

Not my gods, baybee. Not my gods.

I'm not saying that Polarfleece isn't good stuff (I do love my Old Navy fleece pullovers), or that you shouldn't put soft clothes on your baby, but there's nothing wrong with a wool sweater or pants or socks on them, either. The younger kids, outside playing in the snow, should be wearing wool sweaters, socks, mittens, and hats. They'll be so warm they're sweating.

I swear, these acrylic-loving vegan types will be the death of me. I'm gonna have an aneurysm one day.

i feel: irritated irritated

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skorzy From: skorzy Date: January 20th, 2004 06:16 am (UTC) (base camp)
Rare is it for me to comment on a knitting subject (which is something I know very little about!). However, as someone that has lotsa experience backpacking and being outdoors, I will stand up and laud the advantages of Polarfleece as a useable fabric! I've had many clothes made from both wool and polarfleece, and I've been all over the Sierra Nevadas, a few trips for 2+ weeks in the backcountry, including topping Mt. Whitney in 1981. Have lots of practical experience with both fabrics.

Polarfleece, in my experience, is just as warm (wet and dry) as wool, except fleece dries quicker than wool which makes it preferable for active use. Its lighter than wool with similar heat retention qualities, including insulating while wet, which makes it an excellent mid-layer fabric. Though I might be wrong, *my* experience with fleece vs. wool outerwear is that fleece breathes better and I sweat much less in it. Fleece is also more versatile. Being a synthetic hydrophobic fabric, it can be worn as a first layer being highly efficient at wicking sweat away.

The biggest advantage of wool is that its physically tougher. There is NO better fabric to have in socks than wool for hiking. Though "100% wool" hiking socks have a short halflife compared to blends with synthetics. Burned through lots of Wigwam outersocks before I discovered the wool blends.

Nothing wrong with wool, but the lighter polarfleece would be my choice for mid-outerwear if given a choice.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 06:34 am (UTC) (base camp)
Still... she was asserting that it's unthinkable to put wool on babies, which is just retarded.

Also bear in mind that I look at most fiber choices from an historic perspective; while I do wear synthetics, I do so mostly out of laziness -- I just haven't gotten around to buying the yarn for a sweater (my mom gave me yarn for a sweater, but I want just the right pattern for it). There are vegans on the list who affect this morally superior attitude because they think that using acrylic is kinder to animals, while utterly ignoring the fact that both production and disposal of acrylics and plastics is harmful to the environment. Polarfleece does have many good points, but wool has the undeniable advantage of being a renewable resource.

And yes, most of the socks I've knit have 25% nylon in them, to make them hard-wearing, and keep them from felting when washed, and they are definitely my favorite socks -- not only are they toasty warm, but they're fun colors! (wait till you see the ones I'm knitting now!) All my cotton socks are boring white. :-(
skorzy From: skorzy Date: January 20th, 2004 06:44 am (UTC) (base camp)
You'll have no arguments from me about the lunacy of "Vegans" and other flavors of hypocrite. Its impossible to *live* on this planet without makng an impact on the environment, its pretty much a given of life on whole. People that claim they live without impact on the environment or "harming" animals are deceiving themselves (which is entirely too easy for some people to do).

I generally don't argue with such people as it only practices futility. I want a public service announcement movie about how our day to day life, even for the purest Vegans, affects the environment and harms other animals! "Come back Zinc!!!!" :)

Back to fabrics.. okay, silly of her to take that standpoint. Wool is an excellent fabric, Merino being my favorite. But it'll remain second choice with respect to certain clothings I'd wear. Like the Japanese did with American technology, we've improved on wool artificially!

Next fabric.. Silk! :D
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 07:05 am (UTC) (base camp)
Heh... they object to most silk because you have to boil the cocoons with the worms inside to get the silk off in one long thread. There is an inferior grade of silk sold under the name of "peace silk" where the silk is harvested after the moth leave the cocoons, but some vegans STILL object to that because the worms are farmed. {insert eye roll here}

I agree -- by living, you impact the enviorment. But there are ways to tread more lightly, and to be good stewards to domesticated the animals that have no choice but to depend on humans. I even believe that hunting is a part of that, and thereby create an unresolvable rift between me and the vegans. Aw, shucky darn.
syrrichard From: syrrichard Date: January 20th, 2004 08:52 am (UTC) (base camp)
There is not a one of them that is worth vascular distress on your part. Just let them go...
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 08:56 am (UTC) (base camp)
It wouldn't piss me off so much if they didn't take that moral superiority tone with me and the others of us who understand exactly what responsibilities are involved with being on top of the food chain -- because there are responsibilities, and they don't get that.
syrrichard From: syrrichard Date: January 20th, 2004 09:21 am (UTC) (base camp)
A good response might be-
"Look, I'm a carnivore and in hard times you'd just be meat."
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 09:30 am (UTC) (base camp)
Squee! I was just thinking that they'd make good meat, being herbivores and all!

You're right, we do have much in common. :-)
syrrichard From: syrrichard Date: January 20th, 2004 09:35 am (UTC) (base camp)
About the "in common" stuff-

We could be dangerous.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 09:39 am (UTC) (base camp)
But well-fed.
From: (Anonymous) Date: January 20th, 2004 10:18 am (UTC) (base camp)
Always remember that there is plenty of room for all of God's creatures....

Right next to the mashed potatoes.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 10:40 am (UTC) (base camp)
And gravy! Don't forget the gravy!
From: reasdream Date: January 20th, 2004 10:17 am (UTC) (base camp)
"she was asserting that it's unthinkable to put wool on babies, which is just retarded."

she must be one of those people who's convinced that all wool is itchy... hasn't she ever met Merino?
tashabear From: tashabear Date: January 20th, 2004 10:37 am (UTC) (base camp)
This is what I'm saying!
emmacrew From: emmacrew Date: January 20th, 2004 01:29 pm (UTC) (base camp)


Sing it, sister!

The first sweater I knit for my unborn tot was wool. Superwash wool, but wool nonetheless. And every one since then, too (though now he refuses to wear all sweaters and jackets, no matter what they are made of. Sigh.).
goingdriftless From: goingdriftless Date: January 20th, 2004 04:08 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Just a post to tell you I really enjoy your comments and insight... :)
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