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How the hell does weaving fall as a sub-category of knitting

As long as I'm asking questions...

Why the hell can't I find info on rigid-heddle weaving on the Internet?  And where am I going to find a second heddle for my new loom, and furthermore, if I use a second heddle to try to weave 2/2 twill, do I offset it behind the first by one thread, or what?  It probably won't work to put two threads through each slot and hole... Dammit, Vikings, why couldn't you have tablet-woven the damned leg wraps?

i feel: cranky cranky

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galiana_db From: galiana_db Date: August 25th, 2004 08:23 pm (UTC) (base camp)
If you find any info on rigid heddle weaving, do post it. I'm interested in making a set of leg wraps as well - and rigid heddle weaving is something I've wanted to learn for a long time anyway.
ciorstan From: ciorstan Date: August 25th, 2004 08:31 pm (UTC) (base camp)
I believe Halcyon carries rigid heddles (because they carry Schacht and Ashford looms), but I'm not sure what the dent sizes are. I think the reason there's not a lot of rigid heddle info out there on the internet is because it seems to be a Sekrit Craft known only to a very few.

Yes, you can use another heddle to form your shed. I don't have any practical knowledge on a heddle loom, but for floor I'm your girl.

What type of twill are you contemplating? I know it's a broken twill, but is it a 2/2 or a 2/1? That'll determine how many heddles you need; I think you can get away with just two. However, it also occurs to me-- do you think you can you get away with making the third or fourth heddle set out of a dowel and 'knitted' string, like the shedding devices on a warp-weighted loom?
tashabear From: tashabear Date: August 25th, 2004 11:05 pm (UTC) (base camp)
You know, I keep thinking that I know you from the SCA-garb list hosted at UVM from like 4 or 5 years ago. Did you write the article on reverse facings with the cute pictures of a little girl?

Anyway... I have a 12 dent heddle, and that seems to be the tightest one available, but when you need to weave at somewhere between 8-13 threads/cm, 12 dpi doesn't cut it.

I'm actually thinking now that maybe, if I can figure out supports for them, string heddles might just work, but then can it really be called "rigid heddle," or would it fall under the ingenuity clause of re-enactment?

Bother. Had I read the info correctly the first time, I could have bought a second 12dpi heddle at Pennsic when I had the chance.
ciorstan From: ciorstan Date: August 25th, 2004 11:29 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Yes, that's me. Kirstie is now TEN and a HALF and only six inches shorter than me! She and I are going on a 'date' to Western Purgatorio this weekend.

I'm not sure if it matters whether it's woven on a rigid heddle loom or something else as it all looks the same in the end no matter which loom is used (tablets notwithstanding). Do you have the need to tell anyone what you wove your legwraps on? ;) As far as I know rigid heddles were used in late SCA period with box looms for weaving small wares (tapes and the like) but not for larger projects.

I'm sure you know that the appropriate loom for a Viking person would be a warp-weighted loom, which could be rigged on your rigid heddle by warping onto the warp beam and simply turning the loom up on end. Then the rods and string heddles would be perfectly appropriate. The only limitation to your epi count would be your density of tie-on to your rods.

Did you by any chance go hang with the warp weighted mob at Mistress Thora's encampment at Pennsic? She had a working Icelandic style loom there... but at any rate, I can scare up a couple of weird museum videos that show a working w-w-loom going, so you can take a look at the way string heddles are rigged.

Oh. You may or may not recognize the horselaugh in my icon. I stole it from a pic from the Duchy Tarragon webpages. I'm so going to hel for that one.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: August 25th, 2004 11:48 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Ack! I think that's Te in your icon! Could be Leaps, though... They look alike from that perspective.

I actually do have a need to tell how the wraps were woven -- time permitting, I'm entering a Laurel Challenge in March, and they'll go in the "Weave With Handspun" category. I say "time permitting" because I'm also entering "Make and Use a Tool" (needles and spindles), "Knit a Cushion" (just swatched the handspun tonight) and "Embroider A Garment" (working on spinning the thread for that one). I may not have time for the weaving challenge, so I'm prepared to drop the idea if necessary.

I *thought* it was Thora or perhaps Gunnora who said woven on a rigid heddle... now I'll have to go look in the Norsefolk archives. I did not get a chance to look at her w-w loom at Pennsic; she did Wadmal before I got there this year and cancelled her weld-dyeing class due to a family emergency in camp. I may see her at an event in the fall though, so I could ask her then, or email her.

I'd still have to rig supports for my heddles if I turn my loom on end, but it's an idea... It'd be really cute, too; the whole thing is about 6-8" wide by maybe 24" long. Here I go a-pondering again...
ciorstan From: ciorstan Date: August 26th, 2004 12:02 am (UTC) (base camp)
Here's the culprit-- just too cute to resist!


tashabear From: tashabear Date: August 26th, 2004 12:16 am (UTC) (base camp)
Yep, that's Te. Duke Brion owns him now. Leaps has a grey forelock.

How'd you stumble across the site?
mawychick From: mawychick Date: August 25th, 2004 09:56 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Off topic, and I apologize for the laziness of just using your most recent post, but I was checking out briar patch and now have a question. Valerian as in valerian root? As in I should lay off the republic of tea's tea w/ chamomile and valerian root in it? Sorry if it's an intrustion, I just figure you'll know.;)
tashabear From: tashabear Date: August 25th, 2004 11:33 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Well, since I doubt you'll be in a war zone, getting shot at and shooting back, even killing people with a vehicle-mounted .50 cal machine gun and suffering the PTSD afterwards while sipping your tea, I think you'll be okay.

David's depression and suicide cannot be blamed totally on the valerian in the experimental drug; the undiagnosed and untreated post-traumatic stress disorder also had a large part to play as well. However, it cannot be ignored as a factor in the over 100 suicides that have occured among soldiers who have returned home from Iraq. David was #85.

I'm sorry this sounds so snippy. But I mean, really, think about what you just asked me. At the very least, you don't even know the relative dosages of the valerian in the anti-malarial drug and in your tea. You don't know how much of the drug he was required to take, where you might have, what, one cup of the tea a day? Two? More than that and I doubt you'd be awake enough to function.
mawychick From: mawychick Date: August 26th, 2004 07:33 am (UTC) (base camp)
I'm sorry to have upset you at all!! I truly enjoy lurking your journal and admire your life. I am very excited about your business opening. I had checked out the link that you'd associated with the post about the content of valerian, and it'd also mentioned chamomile, which I found..just strange. And while I wasn't particularly worried that it would be anywhere near the same potency, my logic was that if it were the same thing, regardless of dosage, I didn't need it. I meant in no way to compare my tea intake to the anti-malarial drug. I apologize.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: August 26th, 2004 07:43 am (UTC) (base camp)
It's all right. Lurk away. The link I added was just one I found at the time.
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