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What is up with this current self-deprecation trend? I see people post all the time about how clumsy they are when they've just started knitting, how lame they are at interpreting patterns and the shorthand therein, and how they'll be knitting scarves forever because they couldn't possibly handle a sweater. (I'm generalizing here; if you, Gentle Reader, or anyone you know has ever said these precise words, I'm not talking about you/them.) It seems to be a trend among young people... and I find it sad.

Why doesn't anyone ever say that it doesn't seem as hard as they thought it would be? I'm finding that all over the place. Cables? Easy. Knitting in the round on DPNs? Piece of cake. Socks? Too much fun -- I even Kitchenered without a net (instructions) a couple of weeks ago. I'm working on a baby sweater for my cousin, and I have plans to do a lot more.

I guess my mom and sis are right, and I'm a freak of nature when it comes to string and yarn and the formation of stuff from string and/or yarn. I picked it right up, no matter what *it* is. I get it... I understand how twist in the yarn can cause twist in the fabric. I understand how tablet weaving works. I sorta get how fingerloop braiding works, though it's more fun right now to look at it as magic. I understand basic knitting, and I look forward to learning more as I try new things.

Am I alone in this? Am I the only one who gets it? (I know I'm not, but it sure feels that way sometimes.)

i feel: confused confused

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bellatrixx From: bellatrixx Date: February 9th, 2003 09:39 pm (UTC) (base camp)
I was actually discouraged from making socks because I knit "too loosely".

And according to the owner of the knitting store in my area, you knit how you knit. Which I'm tending to believe.

But it won't stop me from dreaming. I bought the book "Socks Socks Socks" on Friday. heh.
emmacrew From: emmacrew Date: February 9th, 2003 11:50 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Feh. Got another knitting store? I hate it when people say "you can't" rather than working to help you find a way in which you can! Perhaps a different knitting method? I know my Continental style knitting is a lot looser than my English style knitting, which is already pretty loose. Even something as seemingly trivial as an extra wrap around the pinkie between your knitting and the yarn supply might give you the extra resistance you need to tighten up yours stitches.

Clearly we need a communal teleport machine so we can give each other in-person knitting lessons.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: February 10th, 2003 04:47 am (UTC) (base camp)
Or at least hang out and knit and watch girlie flicks!
bellatrixx From: bellatrixx Date: February 10th, 2003 05:49 am (UTC) (base camp)


Hah! That kind of machine would be awesome. With something like that, we could get our entire community together! :>
points From: points Date: February 9th, 2003 11:14 pm (UTC) (base camp)
Well, if it helps your understanding any... I love to code. I find it easy, natural and logical. Although I -try-, I sometimes have trouble understanding how someone could -not- see how easy coding can be.... :)
stefibles From: stefibles Date: February 9th, 2003 11:31 pm (UTC) (base camp)
I know what you mean. I will admit to taking my time in learning new things when it comes to knitting since I want to make sure I'm doing the basics right before I continue on, but I'm excited about being able to create new things. And if I find a stumbling block, I try to figure out a way to work around it. I figured out how to use dpns, but I wasn't comfortable with the ones I had (metal). So I tried the "magic loop" technique and I love that. But I also bought some bamboo dpns to see if I'm more comfortable working with wood. I figure if I was able to pick up basic knit and purl quickly, everything else will come along in due time.

I guess it's just that one has to realize that although something might take contemplation and practice, it's not impossible.
tashabear From: tashabear Date: February 10th, 2003 04:56 am (UTC) (base camp)
What makes me sad is the lack of patience kids have these days (and at the ripe old age of 34, I define "kids" as anyone in the MTV demographic), both with new skills and with themselves. I keep seeing them write, "If little old ladies can do it, I can do it!" Well, it's not like those little old ladies have been living in a vacuum all their lives; they were young and new to knitting once, too. Granted, they might have been eight or ten or even younger, but I bet their first efforts sucked, too, and I bet it took time for them to learn. You don't start with an Alice Starmore Fair Isle sweater in your first week.

I guess it's just that I hate to see them put themselves down, and I wonder if it's just me reading things wrong and they're trying to be funny, or if they really doubt their ability to learn a new skill. Even if they're trying to be funny, it's still a little sad, because I know that in the right frame of mind, if someone says it often enough, they can start to believe it.
stefibles From: stefibles Date: February 10th, 2003 09:55 pm (UTC) (base camp)
I do know that self-deprecation and talking about oneself in a overly modest way are two problems that plague females (I couldn't point out a study or book at the moment, but we've all seen this discussed on Oprah or something). In school, girls play their abilities down to not be a "nerd" or a show-off, because boys and their snot friends don't like it (oh how I am glad I had a good group of friends). Later, in the workplace, women tend to put down their own ideas in fear of coming across as "assertive" and "domineering". But I think it's a trait that is popping up all over lately. Even if they don't really mean it, they are subconsciously putting themselves down. It's ok to have trepidation about an obstacle, knitting or otherwise, but to approach it with a lackadaisical manner and write it off with an utterance of "hah, I suck!" demeans both the person and that which they hope(?) to accomplish.

I tend to be a very modest person at times, so I often wince a bit at the spotlight, but I will certainly acknowledge it when I've done something I'm proud of. And there's a difference between saying "oh, it was nothing" and "TADA! Look at what I did! It was so easy!"
emmacrew From: emmacrew Date: February 10th, 2003 12:02 am (UTC) (base camp)
I'm another string person. I'm all about small motor skills. But, I can't throw a ball to save my life. Even if I do find knitting dead easy, I want to tell these people: You just learned a new skill. Remember what your handwriting looked like in first grade? Look at your handwriting now. See? You will get better! Don't expect to be instantly perfect right away. You wouldn't expect to be playing in Carnegie hall after three piano lessons, right? OK, maybe your first scarf is lumpy. Make another one, or two, or three... honestly compare the last to the first. You will see improvement, promise! Don't beat yourself up!

I recently re-encountered my first knitting project (once I'd done an obligatory "this is how you knit, this is how you purl" practice blob with help from mom). It was a tube (knit in the round on circular needles) with ribbing at each end and cables up the length of it... to go over the head and neck. In icky cream acrylic. We told my roomie's boyfriend I was knitting a tube top! It was nice to meet up with it after all these years. And yes, it wasn't as hard as I thought it would be.
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